Comments on: Neurotic Leaders, Paternalistic Managers and Self-Absorbed Workers http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/ experiments in refactored perception Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:40:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mr. Tweet http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-10807 Mr. Tweet Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:54:34 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-10807 HeHe Twitter ought to be killing other social media sites HeHe Twitter ought to be killing other social media sites

]]> By: startupbug.com http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-3204 startupbug.com Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:47:58 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-3204 <strong>Neurotic Leaders, Paternalistic Managers and Self-Absorbed Workers...</strong> There are two basic stances towards the nature of work and its relation to human beings. Major philosophers of all cultures and schools agree that work transforms human beings, and that this transformation is the most essential fact about work. You can... Neurotic Leaders, Paternalistic Managers and Self-Absorbed Workers…

There are two basic stances towards the nature of work and its relation to human beings. Major philosophers of all cultures and schools agree that work transforms human beings, and that this transformation is the most essential fact about work. You can…

]]> By: RG http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-2422 RG Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:23:00 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-2422 One angle to think about is that managers and leaders are influencers at one level but workers at another level. This continues all the way up to CEO who still typically reports to a board and so on. Similarly, a worker may also show manager/leader tendencies at home or community level or even at self level (perhaps, especially true of those who read self-improvement books of the kind that Covey writes). This, I believe, both imposes limits on how much a manager or leader achieves (destroys) as well as makes it inevitable that all three eventually meet similar ends. From a spiritual point of view, self-absorbed (and least complicated) leads to the least "empty" destination though one would tend to think that people who achieve something by leaving a large, visible legacy (that they can claim to have created) would feel less empty at the end of it all. One angle to think about is that managers and leaders are influencers at one level but workers at another level. This continues all the way up to CEO who still typically reports to a board and so on.

Similarly, a worker may also show manager/leader tendencies at home or community level or even at self level (perhaps, especially true of those who read self-improvement books of the kind that Covey writes).

This, I believe, both imposes limits on how much a manager or leader achieves (destroys) as well as makes it inevitable that all three eventually meet similar ends.

From a spiritual point of view, self-absorbed (and least complicated) leads to the least “empty” destination though one would tend to think that people who achieve something by leaving a large, visible legacy (that they can claim to have created) would feel less empty at the end of it all.

]]> By: Venkat http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-2420 Venkat Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:39:25 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-2420 Thanks Bob, and yes, the connection to classical ideas about drama and tragedy hadn't escaped me. It was just too much to try and work in here, and I've been mulling a 'shakespeare in the boardroom' kinda post, but it might possibly be beyond my abilities. One of the reasons I am holding off is that the literary path has some issues that I haven't yet clarified to my satisfaction, unlike the philosophical one, which I think I have. Thanks Bob, and yes, the connection to classical ideas about drama and tragedy hadn’t escaped me. It was just too much to try and work in here, and I’ve been mulling a ‘shakespeare in the boardroom’ kinda post, but it might possibly be beyond my abilities.

One of the reasons I am holding off is that the literary path has some issues that I haven’t yet clarified to my satisfaction, unlike the philosophical one, which I think I have.

]]> By: bob ashley http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-2418 bob ashley Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:23:53 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-2418 A razor-sharp post! Another turn rarely taken, but oh so useful is toward literature. What you describe is essentially the genres of tragedy and comedy (or romance) in Shakespearean drama. Where we see great passion (idealistic) we are, according to Shakespeare, witnessing tragedy in the making. No one writing in the English language knows more about the realities of leadership than the Bard. And so, compelling leaders like Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth and Lear, well...they're all going down. They must in order that society normalize itself, immunize itself against tyrants, cults, and false messiahs. The management literature hasn't figured it out because its writers, for the most part, have had little or no meaningful contact with literature. Life imitates art. I'm retailing your post on Twitter! Thanks. Bob A razor-sharp post! Another turn rarely taken, but oh so useful is toward literature. What you describe is essentially the genres of tragedy and comedy (or romance) in Shakespearean drama.

Where we see great passion (idealistic) we are, according to Shakespeare, witnessing tragedy in the making. No one writing in the English language knows more about the realities of leadership than the Bard. And so, compelling leaders like Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth and Lear, well…they’re all going down. They must in order that society normalize itself, immunize itself against tyrants, cults, and false messiahs.

The management literature hasn’t figured it out because its writers, for the most part, have had little or no meaningful contact with literature. Life imitates art.

I’m retailing your post on Twitter!

Thanks.

Bob

]]> By: Venkat http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-2412 Venkat Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:41:10 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-2412 Well, I thought it would be obvious; tragic of course! Venkat Well, I thought it would be obvious; tragic of course!

Venkat

]]> By: otoburb http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/06/22/neurotic-leaders-paternalistic-managers-and-self-absorbed-workers/#comment-2408 otoburb Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:40:19 +0000 http://www.ribbonfarm.com/?p=1057#comment-2408 Fantastic. The tragic view makes much more sense to me. Perhaps that means that I'm more pessimistic than others in their worldview. Venkat, which category do you fall under? Fantastic. The tragic view makes much more sense to me. Perhaps that means that I’m more pessimistic than others in their worldview.

Venkat, which category do you fall under?

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